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#1 lethe

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 05:22 AM

I'm surprised that no one has posted on the recent U.S. court decision regarding Obama's health plans, seeing as there have been so many posts here from people with ""pre-existing conditions" who are now eligible for health care...... Perhaps the news hasn't "filtered down" yet, or people are too busy jumping for joy still to respond..... :???:

#2 Luthersfaith

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:14 AM

I'm still in shock that Roberts just gave us the biggest tax increase and the biggest job killer health plan in history. November 3, 2012 gives me hope… there is a better way to help people with "pre-existing conditions".
"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 09:39 AM

I was very pleased with the Supreme Court's decision, but didn't and don't want to have any reason to argue on this forum.
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#4 Luthersfaith

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:10 AM

The big "O" is happy.


"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 05:37 AM

I didn't find any reason in the decision to jump for joy even though I am one of the millions of American's who currently have no insurance. I also have no wish to get into a huge political arguement on this particular forum. We all probably have enough stress in our lives. I have five young adult children and I'm not thrilled that they will all now be required to buy health insurance that they don't need (or the IRS will collect a penalty through taxes) so that I might be able to get some rationed care for my pre-existing condition.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 07:09 AM

Beautiful Sunday morning here. The sea is calm and tide should be coming in soon. Weekend July on coastal Georgia. Coolers, kids, and noodle salad. Coconut butter in the air. Church bells competing with each other. And not one or two- an island full. I enjoy them all.
After politics, we could do religion.

Nope. Dog's "jumping" at the door. I gotta go.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 07:45 AM

Beautiful Sunday morning here. The sea is calm and tide should be coming in soon. Weekend July on coastal Georgia. Coolers, kids, and noodle salad. Coconut butter in the air. Church bells competing with each other. And not one or two- an island full. I enjoy them all.
After politics, we could do religion.

Nope. Dog's "jumping" at the door. I gotta go.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 12:04 PM

In Canada, we all enjoy a complete health care package, regardless of employment or position in society paid through taxes. Delivered throughout the country to everyone. I could not imagine living without such a program. Perfect, no. But a very comforting way to live. I hope yours grows to be acceptable to all.
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#9 Luthersfaith

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:26 PM

Give me Liberty or Give Me Death

Here is a little history on one of our American flags:


"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 06:18 AM

I didn't find any reason in the decision to jump for joy even though I am one of the millions of American's who currently have no insurance. I also have no wish to get into a huge political arguement on this particular forum. We all probably have enough stress in our lives. I have five young adult children and I'm not thrilled that they will all now be required to buy health insurance that they don't need (or the IRS will collect a penalty through taxes) so that I might be able to get some rationed care for my pre-existing condition.

I didn't find any reason in the decision to jump for joy even though I am one of the millions of American's who currently have no insurance. I also have no wish to get into a huge political arguement on this particular forum. We all probably have enough stress in our lives. I have five young adult children and I'm not thrilled that they will all now be required to buy health insurance that they don't need (or the IRS will collect a penalty through taxes) so that I might be able to get some rationed care for my pre-existing condition.


It will obviously be awhile before the details are worked out and a clearer picture of what Obamacare entails for the working person. Insurance is like a crap-shoot and yu pay hoping you never need it.

Here in Canada as fellow canuk b49 mentioned, health care is free for all. Four years ago when I had the bad reaction to meds I stayed in hospital longer than a week, had 2 health care people for an hour each everyday, etc. I'm now on disability. If i was in most other countries I'd be on the streets now.

Our health care is one of the strongest unifying factors, treating all as equals.

Edited by lethe, 04 July 2012 - 06:19 AM.


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Posted 04 July 2012 - 09:39 AM

I will be without insurance also unless something unforseen happens. I'm sticking my head in the sand.
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#12 Luthersfaith

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 11:10 AM

Interesting:

http://www.marketwat...s-50-2012-07-03

Edited by Luthersfaith, 04 July 2012 - 11:11 AM.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:51 PM

I’m against this “Health Care Law” because I have zero faith that our government can even begin to tackle the healthcare problem in a fair and reasonable manner. Yes, it’s shameful that we have people in America who NEED medical care and can’t get it but that problem didn’t arise because the Government was unable to extort enough money from the people. Until this Government can show some restraint in how it spends the money it takes from the citizens, I’m going to resist them at every opportunity I get. At least with private health insurance, you have legal recourse and as a last resort you can go to the Government for some muscle. But when the Government is conspiring with the insurance carrier who is conspiring with the health care provider, the people will surely get the short end of the stick. I’m happy for the Canadians, they apparently have something that works for them but they have had many years to tweak and refine the system and they do not have the political climate we do. What’s truly shameful is while people who really need medical attention go without, our Government squanders money on failed ideologically motivated programs, crony capitalism, and by giving “Aid” to countries who actively work against free world values. The problem is not rich people, greedy capitalists, Socialists, or even the dreaded Canadian system it’s every American who sits idly by while our politicians squander money, erode personal freedoms, pervert the Constitution to fit their political agenda, all while make themselves rich. More Government is not the solution; at best it’s a bandage covering the festering pustule called tyranny.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:50 AM

Wow. Paranoid much? Sheesh.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:54 AM

I learned a long time ago that if nothing changes, nothing changes. When you know you need to do something but don't know exactly what that would be, you do something different and see how it turns out. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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#16 Luthersfaith

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 01:46 PM

Do you think the government is good at saving money? do you think the government is good at efficiency? this nation is in tremendous debt which tells me the government does not know how to work within a budget. And people want the government run the healthcare system?

Why don't we first nationalize the legal system first? Everybody needs a good lawyer sometime in their life, and lawyers make lots of money so let us tax the snot out of them and make all the lawyers government workers. If a lawyer used to make $300 an hour they can give $275 to the Government and keep $25 for themselves. so the next time you need a lawyer you contact the post office and you stand in line and wait your turn. don't worry... they work real fast at the post office. And remember the government is in control now so you don't have any other options. just stand in line and wait.

Seriously something does need to be done. but when someone tells you you have to pass a bill before you could read what's in it, like Nancy Pelosi did... well I just think there's something fishy about that bill.

To be perfectly honest I don't trust my government when it comes to spending money. And people wonder why I don't want the government to run my healthcare

I'm happy for the Canadians. but Americans are not Canadians. We have a lot more people, the largest military on the face of the earth, and the best Constitution ever written we simply need to follow it.

There's an important point... Life isn't fair and there is no such thing as a free lunch. somebody's paying for it.

Edited by Luthersfaith, 06 July 2012 - 05:40 PM.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 09:13 PM

After entering the healthcare system as a second career, I was truly appalled when I learned firsthand how our system really works. The abuse by EVERYONE - from doctors to lawyers, drug companies to individual patients - is absolutely astounding! I am not a political person and I have no idea how to fix it, but I can assure you that there is no way this system can continue without bankrupting us all. And whether you realize it or not, we already have socialized medicine. In addition to taxes, everybody pays more for their care in order to compensate for the uninsured. However, in my opinion, the problem is not the uninsured, but those on any form of public healthcare (medicare, medicaid, disability, etc) who feel a sense of entitlement and run to the emergency room every time they get a runny nose. Plus the doctors who admit them to the hospital every other week and bill for numerous unneeded expensive tests and procedures just because they know it's a guaranteed paycheck. Plus the lawyers who sue at the drop of a hat that make the doctors run extra unneeded tests just to protect themselves. Plus the family members who bring their 90 year old loved one who has severe dementia and end stage renal disease from the nursing home and insist that they receive open-heart bypass surgery, only to watch them suffer in the hosptial for the last 6 months of their lives.

I could go on and on with actual stories of waste and abuse even in my own family, but the point is that it is a multi-faceted problem that runs in a vicious circle. And if we don't do something about it soon, it's liable to ruin us all.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 09:20 PM

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I could go on and on with actual stories of waste and abuse even in my own family, but the point is that it is a multi-faceted problem that runs in a vicious circle. And if we don't do something about it soon, it's liable to ruin us all.


Very well said.
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 07:05 AM

Mistrust--Or what some call " Paranoia" often originates from experience.
I should have heeded Dianne’s advice & avoided this topic.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 09:46 AM

I would not avoid a topic for fear of conflicting views. Everyone should be able to voice an opinion and remain respectful to everyone elses" That is the problem with debate. We as Parky's should address and embrace this topic. Lethe, my fellow Canadian, even though we disagree about legalizing MJ, brought it up.

We have only had universal health care for all in Canada since the 60's. It was born from nothing other than need as seen by a social democrat in the Canadian Praries (Google Tommy Douglas) which is actually in a pretty conservative part of the country. As for cost, The American Auto industry realises that our auto workers are better covered at a lesser price than the Americans are under the private system,

As Lethe says it is a great leveler of society. The blue chip worker sits with the the labourers in the line. It is regulated by rules with input from the doctors, nurses and society. It has its abuses and abusers as Rn suggests. But if the price to cut out all the abusers is to eliminate care for the marginal segments of society that would choose between an operation or eating for a year, I'll help pay for the abuses., willingly.

At the start of this forum stuff I was shocked. No almost embarrassed that I had everything paid for, no waiting for an MRI, or a dr visit cause of a cash shortage. I wished that my friends had the umbrella we enjoy. The underlying argument seems to be that you don't trust the government and I understand that, However I do point out that you trust your government with your military, police, schools, agricultural programs, immigration policy and this lists goes on. Why would you not trust them with this package. There will be some waste, granted. But there will be great things too. I worry about those who don't have coverage and debate medical decisions thinking of dollars. There is a way to accommodate all and I hope things work out.

Stay respectful of all is a good start.
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