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New Pope's Position on Stem Cell Research: Murky


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#1 Rogerstar1

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:19 AM

Pope Francis's willingness to relax Vatican opposition to embryonic stem cell research and therapys appear questionable.

See:
https://www.ipscell....m-cell-meeting/

Edited by Rogerstar1, 14 March 2013 - 01:38 PM.


#2 Luthersfaith

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 02:55 PM

New Pope's Position on Stem Cell Research: Spotless

Good for him.

Edited by Luthersfaith, 14 March 2013 - 02:58 PM.

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#3 vipowitz

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:01 PM

But not good for you and me

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:15 AM

I don't often comment, and I am not Catholic, but I applaud him for this stance in protecting the unborn. How a society treats the weakest and most easily exploited also speaks to how it will treat others who are vulnerable. Given that I have a progressive, eventually disabling medical condition it is in my interest to encourage the protection of those who can't speak for themselves. I would love to find a cure for my condition, but not at the price of anyone else's life.

Dx'd 3/12 @ 48. Symptoms 7 years prior.
carbidopa/l dopa 25/250 6x daily, CR 2 pills at bedtime
No DaT scan, normal MRI. Dx'd by observation of neurologist,

Symptoms: left side rigidity when "off", sleep disruption, no sense of smell, minor fatigue, back pain

 

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#5 Rogerstar1

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:08 AM

Try breaking out of the circular illogic, maybe, or take a biology course; A single cell human zygot, a blastula, and the embryo of a fetus with no functioning brain is not a baby, one with a soul much less. It's a given, that we're all entitled to our own point of view on this fraught issue. Just don't let us catch you standing in the cue line for a stem cell derived cure. That line your so called principles exempt you from, agreed? And the case of your PD stricken son, or granddaughter? They must first suffer and then perish before their time, too, by your sights?

For your edification from a recent NY Times opinion page item:

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January 20, 2013

Stem Cell Research Gets a Reprieve

The Supreme Court has wisely ended a bizarre and destructive lawsuit to prevent the federal government from financing embryonic stem cell research. By refusing to hear the case, the court put a halt to more than three years of turmoil that drove some scientists away from such research because of uncertainty about its legality and questions about continued federal funding.
Scientists study stem cells to analyze cell development and to explore ways that stem cells might repair or replace damaged tissues associated with such devastating ailments as spinal cord injuries, diabetes and Parkinson’s. Most of the stem cells used in such research have been derived from days-old human embryos through a process that destroys the embryos and is strongly opposed by many religious and social conservatives.
Although federal law since 1996 has prohibited federal financing of research that destroys an embryo, the Obama administration, like the Clinton administration before it, concluded that if stem cells were derived (and embryos destroyed) with private or state money, federal money could support subsequent research. Rules issued by the Obama administration were challenged in court by two researchers who work on adult stem cells; they contended that no research could get taxpayer money if it depended on an embryo having been destroyed at some point.
After conflicting lower court rulings, a federal appeals court dismissed the case, saying the administration’s reading of the law was permissible. And now the Supreme Court has declined to hear an appeal. In recent years, scientists have increasingly turned to a form of stem cell that can be derived without killing or harming embryos, a trend that was probably accelerated by the litigation over embryonic stem cells, but they will still need the embryonic cells for many purposes.
President Obama’s stem cell policies were established by executive order and could be overturned by executive order in any subsequent administration. At a minimum, Congress should codify the administration’s guidelines into law. Better yet, Congress should lift virtually all restrictions on this promising area of research.

Edited by Rogerstar1, 15 March 2013 - 01:41 PM.


#6 Luthersfaith

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:27 AM

Roger I don't mean to insult you, But the Bible speaks about you Here is the references:

Romans 1:22
"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:34 AM

You might want to be a little more cautious of accusing others of hypocrisy by knowing something about them first. You have nothing to fear about my using a cure involving the death of another genetically unique human being. I won't be in line for it.

My family and I have suffered through disease and profound injury and we have always handled it in a life affirming manner. We will continue to do so, and we will also find the joy and blessing in any situation we find ourselves in.

I find it fascinating that you know when the soul comes into being as well.

As I said, I am not Catholic (I actually left Catholicism in my teens for a faith more biblically oriented), but I respect the position of the Catholic Church on matters of life. They have done far more good to those who suffer illness or poverty than any secular group.

Dx'd 3/12 @ 48. Symptoms 7 years prior.
carbidopa/l dopa 25/250 6x daily, CR 2 pills at bedtime
No DaT scan, normal MRI. Dx'd by observation of neurologist,

Symptoms: left side rigidity when "off", sleep disruption, no sense of smell, minor fatigue, back pain

 

Still an optimist - what is wrong with me?


#8 vipowitz

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:26 PM

not to insult anyone. but many people have died in the name of forcing ( or in their eyes, spreading) organized religion on others ( think the Crusades or Jihad). Some say that Jesus is the son of God, some do not. Some say that Allah is God and Mohammad was a profit, some not. Some quote scripture and say that abortion and stem cell research is murder and in the same breath condone the killing and maiming of hundreds of thousands of people because there " might be" weapons of mass distruction. They can't all be right. I think the best information we can glean any insight from is scientific evidence, so I'll go with Rogerstart's explanation.

#9 Luthersfaith

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:08 PM

The day we die, will be the moment of reality for each of us. All will be accountable for his or her deeds and thoughts. May each of us be ready for that moment.
"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)

#10 vipowitz

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:46 PM

Luthers

following that line of thinking,all those whose deeds and thoughts have been giving and pure will be favorably rewarded, regardless of their individual religious beliefs, whether they accept your God as their savior or not. It's all about the golden rule. Is that an accurate statement?

#11 Luthersfaith

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:15 AM

Good morning vipowitz,

You kind of got the idea Except for one very important element... The law by which we are judged. I believe that law to be the Ten Commandments. To receive God's favor a person must keep all 10 of them past, present and future. All humans have broken some of them, except for one person - Jesus. He was the only person to fulfill and keep all the 10 Commandments.

God is just and justice must be served out to all who violate any of God's laws. And justice was served when Jesus went to the cross and died. He took God's wrath (penalty for sin - the breaking of God's law) on his own body in place of us. He took the punishment that we deserve. Because only a perfect person could fulfill God's demand for justice. Thus Jesus is the Savior for all who believe this Message.

This message is called The Gospel. By faith a person hears it and believes it and lives it.

All of us will stand before the judgment Bar of God, And all of us will be guilty. Those who hear the gospel message and believe it and live it will be pardoned because Jesus paid the price for his or her sin. All of us who reject this message reject God's Saving Grace, And will be sentenced to eternity without God's grace... In other words Hell.

P.S. The resurrection of Jesus proved his Lordship over death.

Edited by Luthersfaith, 17 March 2013 - 09:04 AM.

"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:12 AM

Stem cell research isn't anything I knew much about until my husband, sister, and best friend were diagnosed with PD.

Stem Cell Research at The Parkinson's Institute. This is 7 minutes of narrative by stem cell researchers Birgitt Schüle and Dr. Jeremy Nichols explaining just what they're doing with their petri dishes in terms all of us can understand! A must see in the world of PD!


Husband diagnosed in 2005-Medicines: Azilect, Artane, and Amantadine; Sister and Best Friend from Childhood also have PD


#13 Luthersfaith

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:39 AM

Key word : embryonic
"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)

#14 Rogerstar1

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:23 AM

Like Yogi Berra taught us 'Deja vu' all over again. :smile:.

:razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:
Click here for a 'dated' update.
http://forum.parkins...nic +stem +cell

Further 'new' update would be useful on Parkinson's Institute's ability to eshew use of Embryonic Stem Cells completely to establish a baseline for comparative purposes. I'm recalling that their skin derived, pluripotent adult stem cells (New IPC described in video) was hitting a snag when cancerous tendencies were observed to develop. Not sure about this however

Also, if IPC technology creates what for all intents and purposes are exact genetically identical cells to embryonic stem cells, kindly articulate which biblical principle is NOT violated by their use that in turn the use of genuine embryonic stem cells does?

Then you can tell us how many angels can dance on the head of a pin...but only if you must.

best regards, by the way.
Roger

Edited by Rogerstar1, 17 March 2013 - 11:25 AM.


#15 Luthersfaith

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:47 AM

"Like Yogi Berra taught us 'Deja vu' all over again. :smile:."

I find it interesting that Marxism, Communism (the end result of socialism) and Fascism, all do away with religion (and replace it with the worship of humans and their wisdom). The above also taught and teach that the killing of certain "unwanted humans" was good for the state (of which mankind is the object of worship).
"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:08 PM

luthers

if you got the impression that i was against formal religion, then you are mistaken . I firmly believe that any individual should be free to believe in what he or she chooses, but should not impose their beliefs upon others, nor imply that those of another faith are hopelessly damned.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:27 PM

luthers

if you got the impression that i was against formal religion, then you are mistaken . I firmly believe that any individual should be free to believe in what he or she chooses, but should not impose their beliefs upon others, nor imply that those of another faith are hopelessly damned.


Good evening, By using the word "impose"I suspect you mean force. I agree religious beliefs should not be forced upon anyone. I do however disagree with you on your last point. Because it is a fundamental teaching of the Bible and the Christian Church has been teaching it for 2000 years. To reject that teaching is to reject the Bible. I am not allowed to pick and choose what God teaches. The truth is the truth. If you believe that what I believe is wrong, or it's not for you, then why does it offend you... If you believe it's not true why are you offended?
"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:30 PM

I'm not offended, just can't imagine that anyone of any faith can believe that those who do not see spirituality as they do are going to hell

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:15 AM

I know better than to get involved in this but....

1. To anyone that can sustain themselves with a spiritual faith that makes their life easier, I am happy for you.
2. Christians are a very small segment of the worlds population. Is most of the world condemmed to hell for not accepting God.
3. The Bible is a great book with many great lessons. But it always bothered me that it never mentioned the rest of the world,
4. I remember as a small boy asking my Sunday School teacher who created God. Never did get an answer.
5. Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, etc. Organized religion has had a hand in a lot of deaths
6. All religions have the bottom line that you should treat yourself and others with respect. That is all we need.
7. I think that there was a great man named Jesus, I think he suffered on the cross, was taken down, recovered and reappeared but never was dead.
8. We should be tolerant of all spiritual beliefs, but not ask others to accept what we think.
9. If any of the people I love in this world think of me in a pleasant way when I die, then that is heaven to me.
10. I probably did, but I don't mean to offend anyone with my thoughts.

Respect each other, don't try to force your beliefs as the Truth. That is all.
Don't be hard on yourself, try your best and be strong!

#20 Luthersfaith

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:17 PM

I know better than to get involved in this but....

1. To anyone that can sustain themselves with a spiritual faith that makes their life easier, I am happy for you.
2. Christians are a very small segment of the worlds population. Is most of the world condemmed to hell for not accepting God.
3. The Bible is a great book with many great lessons. But it always bothered me that it never mentioned the rest of the world,
4. I remember as a small boy asking my Sunday School teacher who created God. Never did get an answer.
5. Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, etc. Organized religion has had a hand in a lot of deaths
6. All religions have the bottom line that you should treat yourself and others with respect. That is all we need.
7. I think that there was a great man named Jesus, I think he suffered on the cross, was taken down, recovered and reappeared but never was dead.
8. We should be tolerant of all spiritual beliefs, but not ask others to accept what we think.
9. If any of the people I love in this world think of me in a pleasant way when I die, then that is heaven to me.
10. I probably did, but I don't mean to offend anyone with my thoughts.

Respect each other, don't try to force your beliefs as the Truth. That is all.


Jb, are you interested in my response to the top ten? I would like to in another thread, but only with your permision.
"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)




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