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#1 Rogerstar1

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 08:38 PM

A person calling him or herself "DC" and living in New Hampshire posted this gem and it was the most liked comment in today's New York Times.  I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.     R.

 

"Interesting, isn't it, that the issue on which the historic Republican party, the party of Lincoln and Roosevelt and Eisenhower, chooses to stand or fall is not stopping illegal war, or stopping unconstitutional drone killings, or stopping mass murder, or stopping the impunity of Wall Street banks, or stopping the flow of jobs out of the country, or stopping the flow of vastly inferior and dangerous products into the country, or stopping the economic war on the middle class, or stopping the abandonment of the poor, or stopping the big business entitlements, subsidies and tax dodges that dwarf any and all social programs, or stopping the tens of thousands of annual shooting deaths, or stopping the bankruptcy of cities, or stopping hunger and ignorance... no, they put the entire force of their moral and spiritual and political will behind stopping something even more heinous and dreaded and apocalyptic - a very watered-down form of healthcare for almost everybody, a healthcare system that they themselves designed at the Heritage Foundation".

 

DC of NH.



#2 PatriotM

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 10:10 PM

Unfortunately, DC of NH is incorrect.  The Republicans are not attempting to stop "a very watered-down form of healthcare for almost everybody".  They are trying to stop the destruction of our healthcare system and the continued move toward socialism.  If you'll notice, the administration won't say how many people have actually signed up for Obamacare.  The reasons is that when people actually go through the application process, they find out that Obamacare is VERY EXPENSIVE and has high deductibles.  In other words, a huge number of people are finding out that they can't afford it.  So, their choice is to pay a high monthly payment (that they can't afford) for substandard insurance or be stuck with a sky-high fine (tax) for refusing to sign up.

 

Moreover, many others are having their hours reduced by their employers to 29.5 hours so that they are not required to be given healthcare.  Many large companies are no longer providing insurance for spouses of employees.  Millions of Americans are being put on or shifted to Medicaid, which offers the worst doctors and poorest care available because of the horrible reimbursement to healthcare providers.

 

Unfortunately, the disgraceful Republicans will cave as always and the march to socialism will continue.  I guess we just have to hope that the bureaucrats in charge of healthcare allow those of us with PD to have our medicine.   


Edited by PatriotM, 15 October 2013 - 10:12 PM.


#3 bjenczyk

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:23 AM

Even the unions are against Obamacare now.  http://www.thedailyb...e-care-act.html  This is not a conservative website reporting that fact.  Obamacare has been a costly, partisan disaster, and is only going to get worse.  Anyone who thinks a government bureaucracy can run a better health system than a free people acting in their own interest for their own benefit hasn't dealt with the government very much.  The fiasco of the initial roll out was not unforeseen, and it is only going to get worse.  As someone who now has to rely on the health care system, I expect to receive far less care in the future than would have been available to me otherwise.  Republicans are not doing enough to highlight the disaster this law has been, and the little they are doing to impede it is not going to be enough.  


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#4 Daven

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:55 AM

One of the largest problems with the  Affordable Care Act is its alias Obamacare.  In hindsight, I believe that  was the single biggest mistake of the Republican Party hanging an alias around a law that Obama neither wrote or was involved in the writing. Do you really think someone like Obama is going to negotiate a law that is aliased after him?



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:51 AM

One of the largest problems with the  Affordable Care Act is its alias Obamacare.  In hindsight, I believe that  was the single biggest mistake of the Republican Party hanging an alias around a law that Obama neither wrote or was involved in the writing. Do you really think someone like Obama is going to negotiate a law that is aliased after him?

 

You are absolutely right.  It should have been called what it is - socialized medicine.  If anyone thinks this isn't socialism at the point of a gun, just let them refuse to sign up for Obamacare or pay the fine (tax).  This is being administered by the IRS and when you refuse to pay the IRS over time, you will eventually end up at gunpoint and going to prison. 

 

"Obamacare" is about one thing - CONTROL.  It's about taking money from the young and healthy and redistributing it to the old and sick.  Unfortunately, the young and healthy are already poor and underemployed and they can't afford to have more of their income seized by and ever-expanding government.  Can anyone say Cloward and Piven?
 



#6 Vanillab1027

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:20 AM

Oh for crying out loud. The hyperbole, propaganda, and bald faced lies about the Affordable Care Act are appalling. Regardless of your politics or health issues or employment status, these numbered statements below are FACT:

1. More than 3/4 of people in this country have and will continue to have the exact same insurance coverage they had before the law was passed. So if we didn't have socialized medicine before the law was passed, we don't have it now and won't have it beginning January 1st either. Enough already with the nonsensical socialized medicine chatter.

2. Anyone who works or has family or friends who work in lower paying jobs (restaurant, retail and other service industries) is painfully aware that employers have been cutting hours and forcing employees out of full time employment with benefits for more than a decade (ie prior to the law being passed) and therefore the claims that companies are doing this lately because of the law are lies.

3. Anyone with insurance through their employers is painfully aware that premiums have been raising far faster than wages for more than a decade, and therefore, again, claims that insurance premiums are raising lately because of the law are lies.

4. Facts 2 and 3 are the foundation for the fact that the only people affected by this law are people with pre-existing conditions and people who were previously uninsured for whatever reason (choice or poverty or discrimination by insurance companies). And from Fact 1, we know that less than 1/4 of Americans fit this category of affected people. Therefore, claims that this law is the worst thing to ever happen to this country are so farcical that I, a professional writer for more than 30 years, lack the ability to adequately describe how ridiculous that is.

Now I know that fanatics will likely blast my post and say that I am uninformed and stupid and worse. That's fine, and I won't be responding to them because I don't feed trolls. This post isn't for them. This post is for people who can think for themselves, are willing to verify facts rather than simply believing what they agree with and disregarding whatever doesn't support their opinion, and who retain the slightest glimmer of hope that someday, somehow, political discourse in this country will include logic, reason, and intelligence.

Polls clearly show that the shrieking, sky is falling, my way or the highway folks are in the minority. Loud does not equal crowd. It's time to stop allowing them to bully the majority into silence.

#7 Golden01

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:31 AM

Obamacare is about people with PD being able to get insurance they can afford and for those with kids under age 26 being able to have them on their insurance. For me, it also  meant no co-pay on the mammagram that found my breast cancer. In other words, for my family, Obamacare is personal. My  husband has PD and is covered by insurance from my work. Last year, we got five weeks of "premium holiday" because of Obamacare (insurance profits had exceeded 15 or 20% so premiums were refunded to employees). This was because of the reasonable approaches in Obamacare that help slow the increasing cost of health care while maintaining high quality. I continue to be amazed at the things I hear that Obamacare will or won't do, I've found to check things out at the source has been very helpful to me. Here's the link:  https://www.healthcare.gov/  


Edited by Golden01, 17 October 2013 - 06:18 AM.

Husband diagnosed in 2005-Medicines: Azilect, Artane, and Amantadine, Levodopa (1X/Day); Sister and Best Friend from Childhood also have PD


#8 Rogerstar1

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:57 AM

Bravo Golden01 & Vanillab1027.


Edited by Rogerstar1, 16 October 2013 - 08:59 AM.


#9 PatriotM

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:06 AM

Here are just a FEW of the facts:

 

UPS is dropping spousal insurance coverage to 15,000 employees because of the high costs associated with Obamacare.  http://money.cnn.com...care/index.html

 

The Cleveland Clinic is laying off thousands of employees due to Obamacare. http://www.breitbart...ue-to-Obamacare

 

Even Unions hate Obamacare.  http://www.huffingto..._n_3790548.html

 

As for the free mammograms and other free screenings, my own wife pointed out that her mammogram was free.  Of course, "free" if you don't consider that our insurance company increased our monthly insurance premiums by $50 per month to compensate (partially compensate) for the Obamacare requirements for freebies.  Personally, I'd rather pay the deductible than be forced to pay another $600 per year in premiums (with much more to come).



#10 Golden01

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:24 PM

My mammogram wasn't free, just no co-pay. My insurance costs have gone down. Maybe you should consider changing companies. Have you checked the exchanges for what your costs might be with another carrier? The states where we've needed to check for family members are 30-40% lower for individual plans with better coverage than they've had before. My last post on this topic.


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#11 AnthonyB

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:04 PM

Free isn't free and coverage does not mean care.



#12 Luthersfaith

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:07 PM

The real issue is not about health care for all americans.  It's about power and control.  Dr. Carson hits the nail on the head:

http://washington.cb...-since-slavery/


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#13 Luthersfaith

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 02:13 AM

Free isn't free and coverage does not mean care.

Very, very, very true.


"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)

#14 Luthersfaith

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 02:22 PM

I received this note from a dear friend:

 

"Sent Yesterday, 09:53 PM"

"Before Obamacare thirty million American citizens had no health insurance of any kind. We can assume that a good percentage of these unfortunates are African American consigned to suffer and die before their time. Some of maltreated Parkinson's Disease. To compare being uninsured with slavery is a fool's errand and obscene. Coupling it with your bottom margin religious blather exposes you as the phoney and provocateur I've long perceived you to be. Back to the ignore button with your future drivel Mr. Chistianfaith."
 
He misses the point by a mile.

"I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world." - Jesus (John 16:33)

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:15 PM

Luthersfaith,

 

One of the things that is missed in all this is that health insurance is not health care.  You can have 100% insurance, but if there aren't enough doctors or if you have to wait so long to see one that you die, then you have not received health care, even though you are insured.  Under our prior system, which was already severely distorted because of government regulation, anyone could walk into an emergency room and receive health care.  This was not an ideal system by any means, but health care had to be provided.  What Obamacare brings to the table is the old socialist fiction that everyone is equal and has the same care and coverage (see Cuba) while the rich and the elites receive a higher level of actual health care while everyone else gets rationed care at best, and no care at worst.  Universal health insurance cover does not increase actual health care by one doctor's visit.  All it does is force the young and the healthy to pay for services used by the old and infirm.  

 

The Christian faith requires us to care for one another, individually, not at the point of a gun.  Paul writes in 1 Timothy 5 that  widows with families were to be cared for by the family, and that widows with no one to care for them were to be cared for by the church.  Not by the government, but by the church.  That is what I live in my life, and I imagine you do in yours.  That is living the Christian life, not demanding that the government do what it was never intended to do, and can't do well at all.  The rollout of Obamacare has been a disaster, and I don't believe it will get any better as time goes on.  Socialism never does get better.

 

If people want to live in a socialist society, that's fine by me.  But give me and others who don't want to live that way the freedom to opt out.  Without that freedom, we are nothing but serfs living in an unfree society. 


Dx'd 3/12 @ 48. Symptoms 7 years prior.
carbidopa/l dopa 25/250 6x daily, CR 2 pills at bedtime
No DaT scan, normal MRI. Dx'd by observation of neurologist,

Symptoms: left side rigidity when "off", sleep disruption, no sense of smell, minor fatigue, back pain

 

Still an optimist - what is wrong with me?


#16 Brad24

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 03:26 AM

My opinion is no matter which political side you are on you should be disappointed with EVERYONE in DC for not doing their jobs. Frankly, I hope they all get voted out of office.

I also hope the people who need help in this area get it.

Edited by Brad24, 18 October 2013 - 09:40 AM.

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#17 CynthiaM

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 04:05 AM

I can see already that the government doesn't need to be involved in my healthcare. I've been uninsured for the past 3 years. I self pay my doctors at a discounted rate. I pay for some of my own meds out of pocket and receive other meds at a deeply discounted rate from a faith based organization or for free from the pharmaceutical companies. Worked fine until this month.

 

Now I am on Social Security Disability which made me eligible for Medicaid. Now I can't get my meds from the manufacturer for free since I am elgible for Medicaid BUT Medicaid won't cover the drug I've been taking which was really helping me. So now I am sitting here suffering from the withdrawals of having to stop taking Cymbalta which costs $508.00 a month for the 120mg dose per day that I've been taking.

 

Withdrawal symptoms from Cymbalta include...Nausea, Headache, Vivid Violent Nightmares, Electric zapping sensation in head, Irritability, Dizziness.....return of Depression, Anxiety, Diabetic Neuropathy, Restless Legs and Severe Back Pain.

 

I really wish there was a way to keep the government bureacracy out of my healthcare decisions. :(


Edited by CynthiaM, 31 October 2013 - 04:07 AM.

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#18 PatriotM

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 06:18 AM

Cynthia,

Welcome to OBAMACARE!!! Millions are being added to the Medicaid roles as part of the Obamacare, socialized medicine, scheme. With Medicaid, you can expect to have access to the worst doctors, the worst medicines (when they'll let you have the medicine at all), rationed care (many doctors and services aren't available to Medicaid patients), etc, etc, etc.

What we're going to see develop in this country as socialized medicine takes over is a two-tiered system. Government mandated insurance and substandard healthcare for the masses; and a new, fledgling, high quality CASH BASED healthcare system for those that can afford it. This cash based healthcare already exists in the Lyme Disease community, where the typical 10 minute doctor's appointment simply won't work. Many Lyme Disease doctors (including mine) only accept CASH. It's a wonderful system. I get a 45 minute appointment with a top Lyme Disease Doctor. I'm able to fully discuss all my symptoms and issues. I get a thorough exam. The doctor gets paid cash, in full - no billing the insurance companies, no co-pay, no billing the patient, no receptionist, no shuffling patients every 10 minutes. It's a win-win for everyone. THAT'S QUALITY HEALTHCARE!!!

#19 PatriotM

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 06:45 AM

One other point, insurance was meant to "insure" against risk, not pay for everyday expenses.  For example, my auto insurance insures against the risk that I might be in an accident, it does not pay for routine oil changes or routine maintenance.  Obamacare is mandating that health insurance increasingly covers routine healthcare issues, including many things that people don't want or need.  That changes "insurance" to "pre-paid healthcare", which punishes those that are young and healthy and redistributes their money to those that are older and sick.   



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 08:02 AM

Interesting, I see it as providing needed health care, including preventive services that helps keep us "healthy" (can't do anything about the "young!") and doesn't redistribute money but spreads the costs over a larger pool of people which helps those of us with PD in our families. Those "young and healthy" who choose not to have insurance get their care paid for through my taxes when they get hit by a truck, fall off their motorcycles, or get PD so I pay for them one way or the other. From my view, the new requirements for insurance companies are a real plus. No longer can companies provide lousy coverage for whatever the market will bear. I know too many people that thought they had insurance but when it came to paying for PD or breast cancer treatments, were left with nothing. 

 

We are all entitled to our opinions but this Forum is to focus on the issues relating to PD. Will Obamacare be good for people with PD or not? From where I sit, it looks like it will.From where you sit, you may feel differently. Change the statement above to "those that are older and have PD" or just to "those that have PD". Does it change anything? Change it even more to "young and have PD" and see if it seems any different to you. How about for women with PD? Under the new law, they can't be charged more than men for the same coverage. I think we'll need to stay tuned and see how the new health care law helps or hurts people with PD. 


Edited by Golden01, 31 October 2013 - 08:52 AM.

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