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New Pope's Position on Stem Cell Research: Murky

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New Pope's Position on Stem Cell Research: Spotless

 

Good for him.

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I don't often comment, and I am not Catholic, but I applaud him for this stance in protecting the unborn. How a society treats the weakest and most easily exploited also speaks to how it will treat others who are vulnerable. Given that I have a progressive, eventually disabling medical condition it is in my interest to encourage the protection of those who can't speak for themselves. I would love to find a cure for my condition, but not at the price of anyone else's life.

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Try breaking out of the circular illogic, maybe, or take a biology course; A single cell human zygot, a blastula, and the embryo of a fetus with no functioning brain is not a baby, one with a soul much less. It's a given, that we're all entitled to our own point of view on this fraught issue. Just don't let us catch you standing in the cue line for a stem cell derived cure. That line your so called principles exempt you from, agreed? And the case of your PD stricken son, or granddaughter? They must first suffer and then perish before their time, too, by your sights?

 

For your edification from a recent NY Times opinion page item:

 

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January 20, 2013

 

Stem Cell Research Gets a Reprieve

 

The Supreme Court has wisely ended a bizarre and destructive lawsuit to prevent the federal government from financing embryonic stem cell research. By refusing to hear the case, the court put a halt to more than three years of turmoil that drove some scientists away from such research because of uncertainty about its legality and questions about continued federal funding.

Scientists study stem cells to analyze cell development and to explore ways that stem cells might repair or replace damaged tissues associated with such devastating ailments as spinal cord injuries, diabetes and Parkinson’s. Most of the stem cells used in such research have been derived from days-old human embryos through a process that destroys the embryos and is strongly opposed by many religious and social conservatives.

Although federal law since 1996 has prohibited federal financing of research that destroys an embryo, the Obama administration, like the Clinton administration before it, concluded that if stem cells were derived (and embryos destroyed) with private or state money, federal money could support subsequent research. Rules issued by the Obama administration were challenged in court by two researchers who work on adult stem cells; they contended that no research could get taxpayer money if it depended on an embryo having been destroyed at some point.

After conflicting lower court rulings, a federal appeals court dismissed the case, saying the administration’s reading of the law was permissible. And now the Supreme Court has declined to hear an appeal. In recent years, scientists have increasingly turned to a form of stem cell that can be derived without killing or harming embryos, a trend that was probably accelerated by the litigation over embryonic stem cells, but they will still need the embryonic cells for many purposes.

President Obama’s stem cell policies were established by executive order and could be overturned by executive order in any subsequent administration. At a minimum, Congress should codify the administration’s guidelines into law. Better yet, Congress should lift virtually all restrictions on this promising area of research.

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You might want to be a little more cautious of accusing others of hypocrisy by knowing something about them first. You have nothing to fear about my using a cure involving the death of another genetically unique human being. I won't be in line for it.

 

My family and I have suffered through disease and profound injury and we have always handled it in a life affirming manner. We will continue to do so, and we will also find the joy and blessing in any situation we find ourselves in.

 

I find it fascinating that you know when the soul comes into being as well.

 

As I said, I am not Catholic (I actually left Catholicism in my teens for a faith more biblically oriented), but I respect the position of the Catholic Church on matters of life. They have done far more good to those who suffer illness or poverty than any secular group.

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not to insult anyone. but many people have died in the name of forcing ( or in their eyes, spreading) organized religion on others ( think the Crusades or Jihad). Some say that Jesus is the son of God, some do not. Some say that Allah is God and Mohammad was a profit, some not. Some quote scripture and say that abortion and stem cell research is murder and in the same breath condone the killing and maiming of hundreds of thousands of people because there " might be" weapons of mass distruction. They can't all be right. I think the best information we can glean any insight from is scientific evidence, so I'll go with Rogerstart's explanation.

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The day we die, will be the moment of reality for each of us. All will be accountable for his or her deeds and thoughts. May each of us be ready for that moment.

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Luthers

 

following that line of thinking,all those whose deeds and thoughts have been giving and pure will be favorably rewarded, regardless of their individual religious beliefs, whether they accept your God as their savior or not. It's all about the golden rule. Is that an accurate statement?

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Good morning vipowitz,

 

You kind of got the idea Except for one very important element... The law by which we are judged. I believe that law to be the Ten Commandments. To receive God's favor a person must keep all 10 of them past, present and future. All humans have broken some of them, except for one person - Jesus. He was the only person to fulfill and keep all the 10 Commandments.

 

God is just and justice must be served out to all who violate any of God's laws. And justice was served when Jesus went to the cross and died. He took God's wrath (penalty for sin - the breaking of God's law) on his own body in place of us. He took the punishment that we deserve. Because only a perfect person could fulfill God's demand for justice. Thus Jesus is the Savior for all who believe this Message.

 

This message is called The Gospel. By faith a person hears it and believes it and lives it.

 

All of us will stand before the judgment Bar of God, And all of us will be guilty. Those who hear the gospel message and believe it and live it will be pardoned because Jesus paid the price for his or her sin. All of us who reject this message reject God's Saving Grace, And will be sentenced to eternity without God's grace... In other words Hell.

 

P.S. The resurrection of Jesus proved his Lordship over death.

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Stem cell research isn't anything I knew much about until my husband, sister, and best friend were diagnosed with PD.

 

Stem Cell Research at The Parkinson's Institute. This is 7 minutes of narrative by stem cell researchers Birgitt Schüle and Dr. Jeremy Nichols explaining just what they're doing with their petri dishes in terms all of us can understand! A must see in the world of PD!

 

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Like Yogi Berra taught us 'Deja vu' all over again. :-).

 

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Click here for a 'dated' update.

http://forum.parkins...nic +stem +cell

 

Further 'new' update would be useful on Parkinson's Institute's ability to eshew use of Embryonic Stem Cells completely to establish a baseline for comparative purposes. I'm recalling that their skin derived, pluripotent adult stem cells (New IPC described in video) was hitting a snag when cancerous tendencies were observed to develop. Not sure about this however

 

Also, if IPC technology creates what for all intents and purposes are exact genetically identical cells to embryonic stem cells, kindly articulate which biblical principle is NOT violated by their use that in turn the use of genuine embryonic stem cells does?

 

Then you can tell us how many angels can dance on the head of a pin...but only if you must.

 

best regards, by the way.

Roger

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"Like Yogi Berra taught us 'Deja vu' all over again. :-)."

 

I find it interesting that Marxism, Communism (the end result of socialism) and Fascism, all do away with religion (and replace it with the worship of humans and their wisdom). The above also taught and teach that the killing of certain "unwanted humans" was good for the state (of which mankind is the object of worship).

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luthers

 

if you got the impression that i was against formal religion, then you are mistaken . I firmly believe that any individual should be free to believe in what he or she chooses, but should not impose their beliefs upon others, nor imply that those of another faith are hopelessly damned.

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luthers

 

if you got the impression that i was against formal religion, then you are mistaken . I firmly believe that any individual should be free to believe in what he or she chooses, but should not impose their beliefs upon others, nor imply that those of another faith are hopelessly damned.

 

Good evening, By using the word "impose"I suspect you mean force. I agree religious beliefs should not be forced upon anyone. I do however disagree with you on your last point. Because it is a fundamental teaching of the Bible and the Christian Church has been teaching it for 2000 years. To reject that teaching is to reject the Bible. I am not allowed to pick and choose what God teaches. The truth is the truth. If you believe that what I believe is wrong, or it's not for you, then why does it offend you... If you believe it's not true why are you offended?

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I'm not offended, just can't imagine that anyone of any faith can believe that those who do not see spirituality as they do are going to hell

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I know better than to get involved in this but....

 

1. To anyone that can sustain themselves with a spiritual faith that makes their life easier, I am happy for you.

2. Christians are a very small segment of the worlds population. Is most of the world condemmed to hell for not accepting God.

3. The Bible is a great book with many great lessons. But it always bothered me that it never mentioned the rest of the world,

4. I remember as a small boy asking my Sunday School teacher who created God. Never did get an answer.

5. Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, etc. Organized religion has had a hand in a lot of deaths

6. All religions have the bottom line that you should treat yourself and others with respect. That is all we need.

7. I think that there was a great man named Jesus, I think he suffered on the cross, was taken down, recovered and reappeared but never was dead.

8. We should be tolerant of all spiritual beliefs, but not ask others to accept what we think.

9. If any of the people I love in this world think of me in a pleasant way when I die, then that is heaven to me.

10. I probably did, but I don't mean to offend anyone with my thoughts.

 

Respect each other, don't try to force your beliefs as the Truth. That is all.

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I know better than to get involved in this but....

 

1. To anyone that can sustain themselves with a spiritual faith that makes their life easier, I am happy for you.

2. Christians are a very small segment of the worlds population. Is most of the world condemmed to hell for not accepting God.

3. The Bible is a great book with many great lessons. But it always bothered me that it never mentioned the rest of the world,

4. I remember as a small boy asking my Sunday School teacher who created God. Never did get an answer.

5. Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, etc. Organized religion has had a hand in a lot of deaths

6. All religions have the bottom line that you should treat yourself and others with respect. That is all we need.

7. I think that there was a great man named Jesus, I think he suffered on the cross, was taken down, recovered and reappeared but never was dead.

8. We should be tolerant of all spiritual beliefs, but not ask others to accept what we think.

9. If any of the people I love in this world think of me in a pleasant way when I die, then that is heaven to me.

10. I probably did, but I don't mean to offend anyone with my thoughts.

 

Respect each other, don't try to force your beliefs as the Truth. That is all.

 

Jb, are you interested in my response to the top ten? I would like to in another thread, but only with your permision.

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Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.As long as they don't infringe on others.Stem cell reserach is wise and not a moral issue.

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Luther,

 

With respect, I think I am done with theology here for awhile and those 10 thoughts can sit on the shelf for awhile.

 

jb

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Well, at least I can help with the tricky question of what clothes to pack......:wink:

 

 

 

The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington engineering mid-term. The answer was so "profound" that the Professor shared it with colleagues, and the sharing obviously hasn't ceased...

 

Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or Endothermic (absorbs heat)?

 

Most of the students wrote Proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law, (gas cools off when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

 

"First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let us look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.

 

Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:

 

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

 

2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

 

So which is it?

 

If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa Banyan during my Freshman year, "...that it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you.", and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then, #2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze."

 

This student received the only A.

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Where's Luthersfaith when we need him to explain Boyle's Law?

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