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Does anybody has experience on the treatment offered by the german doctor Ulrich Werth to cure (or improve) the problems produced by the Parkinson desease by fitting small needles on the patient's ear as acupuncture ?. According to his info(www.werththerapie.de/en/index.html) he has obtained very positive positive results in several patients.

I am seriously thinking to be treated by him to improve my illness but before doing that I would appreciate any comments about it.

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Yes, I just returned from being treated there. I think this guy is brilliant - but it was expensive relatively, and I think you need a good understanding of acupuncture's mode of healing, and be prepared to remain positive and open about the treatment over the two to three years it apparently takes to show its full effects. But that length of time makes sense to me...we didn't get this way overnight, and incremental change may be more likely to be permanent.

 

But I think this is the only treatment like this in the world. I was greatly impressed with the doctor and his staff...they are good, caring people. I'm thrilled that I was able to get this treatment.

 

Ask me any questions you want.

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Apparently the good Doctor has discovered that his therapy regimen cures Alzheimer's Disease also "of course"! I quote from page two of his website:

 

"The stimulation of the brain through the Werth-Implant-Therapy works of course also as prevention for Alzheimer or slacking mental abilities in elderly or for regeneration of the brain after an accident. It can be applied anywhere nerve cells in the brain die. Since a few years, it has been scientifically recognized that nerve cells in the brain don’t just die, but also new can be build through cell division.

The Werth therapy is a further proof of this."

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My husband was recently diagnosed with Parkinsons and I have been looking at the info about the Werth Parkinson Centre. I would like to talk with someone who has had the procedure. It sounds like an interesting alternative treatment but I would love some feedback from someone who has been there!

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For Fiona,

 

I'm an Australian, 53 and was diagnosed with PD a couple of months ago. I'm determined to find real natural solutions to PD and Dr Werth's website is very encouraging. Did you explore independent reviews of the Werth Center? How expensive was it for you? I'd appreciate your feedback. Peter

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Sorry to have been away from the forum for so long - been in a remote area of South America with extremely limited internet access for quite a while.

 

In answer to a couple of the questions above, I think that so far Dr. Werth's treatment is unique and not being carried out by anyone else except an associate of his who works in Germany. Dr. Werth is currently in Spain.

 

Before I went for this treatment, I reviewed the website material with several excellent acupuncturists I know or know of, and they all responded positively to the theories and ideas within. More than one said "If I were you, I would get this treatment." No, it is not FDA or American scientist-approved. Most neurologists would not even be familiar with its basic principals.

 

It was expensive - the exact cost varies per patient and the particulars of the individual situation. It cost me about $17k. That's a lot.

 

It's been six months now since I got the treatment. I am starting to feel that it is working at a very deep level. I feel that this is just the beginning of its taking effect. During this time I have stopped taking Mirapex and any of its cousins - a huge feat since I was taking it for almost a decade. At first I suffered absolutely horrifying daily depression and panic attacks -those have abated almost entirely now and my clarity and executive functioning are starting to return to some semblance of normal. I can balance a checkbook again, and not totally just lose myself in short-term reward activities like endless useless crafts projects, shopping, etc. Plus I am sleeping again 8 or more hours for the first time in ten years. Hurray.

 

I still am on the other PD meds, tho starting to cut down a little. I still have off periods but they seem to be becoming increasingly manageable. I am certainly no worse than when Mirapex was part of my regimen, and I have not replaced it with anything else.

 

I am really glad I got this ear implant treatment. Is it an overnight bullet? Not for me it wasn't. But I feel confident that as time progresses, I am recovering from this disease and/or the secondary Parkinson's I have from taking the medications for over 15 years now. It felt like a big investment but a unique one that will pay off over time in the more naturalistic way it supports my body's return to function.

 

I hope that's helpful.

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Thankyou Fiona for your beautiful reply. I think the greatest place to start is to Decide in our minds that healing is possible. Your decision to go through the reaction period when coming off mirapex is testament to the strength of that decision in you.

Since developing a tremor some 8 months ago I haven't taken any drugs and have been trying Ayurveda for the past month. As yet no real abatement of the tremor..but these things take time. I have come across A naturopath in Australia, John Coleman, who healed himself of advanced parkinsons symptoms. He said that 5 others have made a full recovery on his program..this is exciting. I'm yet to receive his program. You can google him. Keep in touch. Cheers, Peter

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I just read this thread for the first time. Think there are two sides to the coin. 1)Hey, try anything, it just might work. Heaven knows the established PD community is treading water.

 

2)The flip side is that when you step outside the box the chances are increased of getting "snake oil".

 

All in all we may as well try everything. I experimented with Mucuna an Ayurvedic med and found it works as well as Sinemet.

 

What makes me a little suspicious about the Wirth protocol is that he makes it sound almost as a panacea, but who knows?

 

I would be very interested in dialoguing with Fiona.

 

ahimsajack@yahoo.com

 

Jack

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I have inquired about this avenue also, Australia, and his recovery. Do you receive the writings from Robert, the associate from Washington?

 

Jack, I have the creeping dementia also, and it's scarey. Do you ever consider the idea about our body's trying to tell us something, ie. our MO is and has been the antagonistic factor in the onslaught of PD as we get older? The MO being the constant internal pressure of out efforts to be exceptional in alot of fields that we feel pride in. II swear, the talent shown by the writings that appear on this forum are amazing. It stands out quite distinctly.

 

Are there any of you out there that were "kick back" in school, that were tardy alot, that didn't worry about image, that were just plain relaxed and comfortable? Not secretly "driven," hiding us from ourselves. Are we still following the saame MO that created us, and that's why nothing fazes the PD progression. We all are still totally doing what has taxed our systems, so the PD continues. I am afraid though, if this were the case, that the PD has been so long in coming, even if somehow the PD problem were corrected, it would take decades to correct.

 

Not much positive, the John Colman protocol is much more

positive. John S

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I have had the implant treatment done by Dr Werth about six weeks ago. So far I have not noticed any changes but remain positive that in time it will take effect. (although people tell me that I look much more alert and clear. It was encouraging

to read Fiona's latest posting in which she said she has started to notice changes and has been able to come off some medication. Fiona, I can totally relate to what you said about 'craft projects' and shopping!! I too look forward to having clarity and maybe hold down a job again. Delighted that you are getting a good night's sleep (Oh Bliss). I was diagnosed with PD 7 years ago. I know that this treatment is going to work for me and I thank you Fiona for your letter it has reinfiorced my belief that a 'cure' is in sight. Dr Werth is coming to Perth, Australia this year to talk about his treatment. If anyone wants any further information about the treatment I would be happy to reply.

Jean

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To Fiona and Jean and anyone else who posted here and has subsequently decided to take the treatment offered by Dr. Werth: Would you be willing to speak to a PD patient who is considering the treatment? It sounds promising, but cost and distance are major factors, and it would help to speak with as many people as possible who have tried this route. The Center provides the names of a few people who are willing to speak about their experiences, but many of the patients apparently do not speak English. Also, it is more believable to speak with people who are not hand-picked by the Center as model examples. Please respond to rar30@columbia.edu.

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Today in the monthly newsletter from the support group in the Central Coast of Cal, there was included a letter. It was for stem cell treatments. The web site is Xcell-center.com. They claim all sorts of success. Has anybody ever head of them? John S

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This center implants autologous (your own) stem cells into your brain. They are new and have treated only a little more than 10 PD patients. But results look impressive. One

german engineer got nearly cured. His site is in German only though. Check out the center's site. They select patients according to their criteria.

 

Clover4

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I do not read German. I would like to know if the patient with the excellent response had an injection to the CNS or blood, as the center uses both avenues. I would like to know how many PD pts they have treated, and the statistics of their responses. One patient does not a treatment make.

 

If injection of stem cells into the circulation is their standard treatment for PD, I imagine they should be able to accomplish sinilar results by mobilizing stem cells using cytokines. That gets the stem cells out of the bone marrow and into the circulaiton.

 

pol

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I have made contact with the centre and have been accepted for treatment. At the same time I was accepted into the Werth Centre and decided to go with the Forever Needle treatment instead. Mainly because it is less invasive than the cell treatment. But if Dr Werth's treatment doesn't work (but I know it will), then I certainly would consider the stem cell. I have included a response from the X-cell Centre below, which may be of help.

 

Dear Ms. BURGESS,

10/3/2008

 

 

 

We are proud to offer you our innovative adult stem cell treatments and we thank you very much for your interest.

 

The XCell-Center is Europe's first certified private stem cell treatment facility and is its leading adult stem cell therapy provider. Our clinical and laboratory standards are governed by the German Medical Act and European Union GMP regulations. These standards are on par with US FDA regulations.

 

At the XCell-Center, to best ensure the safety and success of every patient's care, each medical evaluation and stem cell procedure is performed by a team of German Medical Board certified physicians; among them are radiologists, diabetes specialists, neurosurgeons, cardiologists, ophthalmologists and pharmacologists. Together they have treated more than 750 patients and seen excellent results.

 

In response to your request, we have attached a link to our treatment information brochure for Parkinson to this email. When you are ready to proceed with your free medical evaluation, we kindly ask that you complete the Medical Information Form and gather the medical data that is described in the brochure. The use of autologous adult stem cells is free of ethical concerns; there is no risk of rejection or contamination with foreign viruses as with other stem cell sources.

 

After we receive the medical information form from you, it will be carefully reviewed by our medical team. Someone will contact you within a few working days, in order to give you their preliminary opinion and explain the next steps in the evaluation process.

 

Feel free to contact me any time if you have any questions or if you need any assistance.

 

Links:

Medical Information Form

Parkinson

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Thank you all for excellent imputs. I also looked into Xcell and Werth Center. I am more inclined for Dr. Werth as Jean says it is less invasive. I would like to hear more about the details of the procedure, travel routes, expense, length of time it took, etc.

Could Fiona and Jean please share your experiences with me via

acs627@hotmail.com?

 

Thank you so much for your help.

Clover

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Yes, I just returned from being treated there. I think this guy is brilliant - but it was expensive relatively, and I think you need a good understanding of acupuncture's mode of healing, and be prepared to remain positive and open about the treatment over the two to three years it apparently takes to show its full effects. But that length of time makes sense to me...we didn't get this way overnight, and incremental change may be more likely to be permanent.

 

But I think this is the only treatment like this in the world. I was greatly impressed with the doctor and his staff...they are good, caring people. I'm thrilled that I was able to get this treatment.

 

Ask me any questions you want.

 

Hi Fiona,

 

I'm very interested in keeping in touch with you as I am interested in having the procedure done too.

 

How long ago did you have it done? Have you noticed any side effects?

Did you feel worse a few days after having it done?

 

Any other information that you think is important would be greatly appreciated.

 

Very happy for you!

 

Antk

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Hello. I don't know if this is proper, but I am reposting a response I just made to another thread on this forum about the Werth therapy. I wanted to be sure that interested parties found it. Here goes.

I am finding that enough people are contacting me about the Werth Therapy that I thought I would post what I have developed as a template response about my experience in the hopes that it gives people a fuller picture. I plan to update this as time progresses.

 

I am currently 51 years old, was diagnosed with Parkinson's in 1991, and had symptoms for a few years before that, so it seems I have been symptomatic for about 20 years. I have been on pretty high doses of Parkinson's medication for at least 10-12 years. I am still not sure if the original diagnosis was correct, but in any event, I definitely have contracted a secondary form of Parkinson's as a result of the drug therapy. One of the most problematic drugs for me was Mirapex (pramipexole), which I took for nine years, most of those years at maximum dosage. It completely altered my personality in many harmful ways, and even though at first it seemed to help, ultimately I feel worsened my condition.

 

This past year, in very early 2008, my doctor switched me over from Mirapex to Neupro (rotigotine), a process that took several attempts, the first one ending with me in the emergency room, the second attempt was accomplished over a gradual 8-week period. Immediately following that period, Neupro was suddenly recalled from the US market, and I was compelled to titrate off that drug as well. At this point not wanting to replace it with yet another dopamine agonist, I made arrangements to go to Dr. Werth's Center in Valencia, and in June 2008, I went to Spain and received the implants. At that time I was in the final weeks of a gradual titration off Neupro that took about 8-12 weeks.

 

I decided to go to receive Dr. Werth's treatment based on his written theoretical materials, which sounded conceptually very convincing to me. I had had good experiences with acupuncture in the past and believed in its structures of energy meridians and so forth. I showed his material to several acupuncturists that I trusted, and they each were very positive about what they read, and said they thought it sounded like a strong concept. I talked to one of his former patients, who altho she said she was not significantly better after a year's time, acknowledged that she had had much stress during that intervening year, including surgery. When I asked her if she nonetheless recommended the treatment, her response was an unequivocal "Yes!" and that she very much trusted Dr. Werth. I was further impressed when my German-speaking mother called the clinic, and spoke to Dr. Werth for 20 minutes, and perceived him to be very sincere and empathic.

 

I decided to go with the attitude that this was going to be an investment in my future, that it would probably take years to manifest its full results, and was going to be part of my overall efforts to regain my health and recover. It is my understanding that the placement of these permanent stimuli in the ear over time helps to trigger your own dopamine functioning again. I felt that Dr. Werth's treatment represented a unique idea in the world, and one that made sense to me in its blending of Traditional Chinese Medicine (which to me has always seemed an incredibly sophisticated system) and modern technology. My experiences at his clinic were very good. The staff is excellent and supportive, the doctor is very kind and sincere. It was enormously expensive for me - the number of implants he assessed for my particular condition were 128 in total between my two ears. It cost roughly USD$17,000. The procedure itself took less than a half hour, and was minimally painful or uncomfortable. My ears were sore for the next few days and healed considerably within two weeks. I recommend strongly that you go with a companion. I was able to travel within a few days of the implants. They are not detected by airport machinery or at least mine weren't! They are barely visible or palpable after the first few days.

 

This was definitely not an overnight, magic bullet cure, but that's not what I was seeking or expecting. I was looking for something gradual and long-term. It's difficult to quantify the experience in definitive terms. I succeeded in not replacing the Mirapex/Neupro with another dopamine agonist. At this point, almost 8 months after receiving the implants, I can say that I was successful in deleting this whole level of medication from my regimen. As I understand it, getting off the dopamine agonists, once you're on them, is ordinarily very difficult. I am still taking Sinemet (about 1,000mgs daily) and entacapone and Amantadine. I am hoping to reduce these further, little by little. But my quality of life has changed considerably. The time since receiving the implants has been very stressful for me, in part because of my personal and family circumstances, but also the elimination of the Mirapex prompted many months of daily depression bouts as my dopamine levels and I'm sure many other things were impacted. However, the depression for the most part has since lifted, and I am enjoying a clarity of mind that I think I have never really had before in my life. I am also able to sleep soundly for 8-9 hours nightly, something that was impossible for the decade that I was on Mirapex, when I sometimes could only sleep 3-4 hours nightly. I feel that the obsessive-compulsive behavior that Mirapex seemed to cultivate is now almost completely healed, and my life is changing considerably because of that. I doubt that I would have been able to get off the Mirapex without the implants - even if it only gave me the courage to try to do that, it was worth it. I am a big step closer to my recovery. My Parkinson's symptoms have shifted in various ways, but I am certainly no worse than I was when Mirapex was part of the drug arsenal I used.

 

I feel that I am probably at the early range of when improvements from the implants are starting to accumulate in my body. My evaluation of the worth of the implants is that I think it is still too early for me to say fully how effective they are for me - I think it will be another couple of years before I can answer that absolutely. I have no regrets at all about the investment and would do it again.. I am really glad that I was able to get this therapy. I consider it part of a variety of approaches I am taking to correct my health, including diet, supplements, physical movement and exercise, meditation, breathing, and an overall approach of trying to de-stress my life. I cannot tell anyone else that yes, this is the right therapy for you or that it will be totally worth the money for you. That is something I determined for myself before going, and something I think each person needs to think out for themselves, based on one's impression of the concept of the technique, the experiences like mine that you may gather, your own instincts, etc. I can say that I totally trust Dr. Werth. I think this therapy has been helpful and will be more so as time passes, but only by maintaining a strong positive attitude in myself that I can and will find ways to recover, and that various approaches are needed to support and complement each other in order for that to happen.

 

I hope this account has been helpful. There are many variables to consider - the amount and duration of previous medication, the new stresses that improving one's condition can actually bring forth. The healing sometimes raises unexpected new problems that you didn't anticipate, or issues that must be dealt with that are at a deeper and more fundamental level, and one must more closely examine some of the reasons you got sick in the first place. But I accept this, because I really am committed to changing my life and health, and know that there will be periods of discomfort as I work toward my long-term goal.

 

Feel free to inquire further, if it sounds like I can be of specific help to you.

All the best in your journey,

Fiona

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Fiona:

 

Thank you so much for your input and sharing your experience. What a beautiful thinking mind and powerful writing skill you have! I have been contemplating about Dr Werth's treatment and wanted to hear from you. I am glad you are going to update your progress for us.

Thank you again.

Clover

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I am seriously considering a visit to the center and would love to hear back from Fiona to see if the last year has had any additional impact. Thanks in advance for any insights.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Yes, I just returned from being treated there. I think this guy is brilliant - but it was expensive relatively, and I think you need a good understanding of acupuncture's mode of healing, and be prepared to remain positive and open about the treatment over the two to three years it apparently takes to show its full effects. But that length of time makes sense to me...we didn't get this way overnight, and incremental change may be more likely to be permanent.

 

But I think this is the only treatment like this in the world. I was greatly impressed with the doctor and his staff...they are good, caring people. I'm thrilled that I was able to get this treatment.

 

Ask me any questions you want.

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